It would behoove you to read my arguments more carefully before you engage.
" One can easily be confused into thinking that the command was actually given only to that group within the group, or that group within the general population, who are most eager, or willing, or able, to carry it out."
I never make this argument or any argument that would suggest this. Not even close.
"When speaking of the call of the great commission to go and make disciples, he leaves his (bizarre)4 reading of the command to explain..."
My "bizarre" reading is a reductio ad absurdum... it's supposed to be bizarre. Also, the fact that you think it is so is deeply ironic given that it's essentially the reading you give to Genesis 1:28 ported over point by point.
"Every man is required to do his best to obey God’s command to be fruitful and multiply"
This is literally the opposite of my argument. I spent the entire essay giving reason to think that God's commands applied to the human race collectively, and not to "every man." This whole schtick of ignoring my actual argument, and just repeating your perspective more strenuously with minimal analysis is pretty tiresome.
Well I definitely feel that there is room for you to write perhaps an entire post with several scripture examples on how you see the various commands or scripture needing to be obeyed by Christians and indeed all godly men. For you to lay out how it is that a command can be given to a collective And what responsibility each individual member of that collective has toward fulfilling it.
As I assume you’re aware the Protestant church has a strong tendency toward evangelicalism, which is among other things the theory that every single individual Christian is required to be thinking pretty much at all times of how they can best pass on the gospel. So to say that go into all the world is given to a collective is to an evangelical merely a way of saying that every single one of us needs to think about how we can implement our part of that collective responsibility.It does not leave any room for anybody not fulfilling it.
No problem, I will try to address the objections soon. You correctly identify the question as how to understand collective responsibility. I will follow up soon
It would be interesting for you to list several other commands and how you see them being worked out in the same general categories and how each of them would work with some kind of vowel of perpetual disobedience.
I don’t think that’s the angle I would take. I think the argument that it’s a “vow of perpetual disobedience” begs the question. The entire point of that argument is that the command applies to the group as a whole. So there is a difference between an individual vowing not to do something they are commanded to do and one vowing not to do something that is commanded of a group they belong to. I need to develop the argument a little more.
Well, I have posts coming out this next Tuesday and Thursday in this thread but I will probably re-address the issues you raise here in a post after that which would probably be a week from this Tuesday
It would behoove you to read my arguments more carefully before you engage.
" One can easily be confused into thinking that the command was actually given only to that group within the group, or that group within the general population, who are most eager, or willing, or able, to carry it out."
I never make this argument or any argument that would suggest this. Not even close.
"When speaking of the call of the great commission to go and make disciples, he leaves his (bizarre)4 reading of the command to explain..."
My "bizarre" reading is a reductio ad absurdum... it's supposed to be bizarre. Also, the fact that you think it is so is deeply ironic given that it's essentially the reading you give to Genesis 1:28 ported over point by point.
"Every man is required to do his best to obey God’s command to be fruitful and multiply"
This is literally the opposite of my argument. I spent the entire essay giving reason to think that God's commands applied to the human race collectively, and not to "every man." This whole schtick of ignoring my actual argument, and just repeating your perspective more strenuously with minimal analysis is pretty tiresome.
There are more, but I don't have all day.
Well I definitely feel that there is room for you to write perhaps an entire post with several scripture examples on how you see the various commands or scripture needing to be obeyed by Christians and indeed all godly men. For you to lay out how it is that a command can be given to a collective And what responsibility each individual member of that collective has toward fulfilling it.
As I assume you’re aware the Protestant church has a strong tendency toward evangelicalism, which is among other things the theory that every single individual Christian is required to be thinking pretty much at all times of how they can best pass on the gospel. So to say that go into all the world is given to a collective is to an evangelical merely a way of saying that every single one of us needs to think about how we can implement our part of that collective responsibility.It does not leave any room for anybody not fulfilling it.
No problem, I will try to address the objections soon. You correctly identify the question as how to understand collective responsibility. I will follow up soon
It would be interesting for you to list several other commands and how you see them being worked out in the same general categories and how each of them would work with some kind of vowel of perpetual disobedience.
I don’t think that’s the angle I would take. I think the argument that it’s a “vow of perpetual disobedience” begs the question. The entire point of that argument is that the command applies to the group as a whole. So there is a difference between an individual vowing not to do something they are commanded to do and one vowing not to do something that is commanded of a group they belong to. I need to develop the argument a little more.
Well, I have posts coming out this next Tuesday and Thursday in this thread but I will probably re-address the issues you raise here in a post after that which would probably be a week from this Tuesday
Sounds good. Apologies for the delay I have been a little busy this week, and I am concerned with how to please me wife ;)
Oh, hey, I’m in no rush. You’ve given me enough to write about for a month :)