God created the world. He is the one who decides how we should live. God reveals His Words and His Will in Scripture. So it is to Scripture that we should go to see how we should live.
This conversation started when I said that monasticism was unBiblical, and I have laboured (having fun) over the last few posts to lay out my case, my reasons, deal with issues, etc. But I thought it worthwhile to lay out my entire case, all at once, to provide a framework for future discussion. So, here it is:
Marriage is normative
Exceptions to the norm need to be specifically justified
Monasticism is not a justified exception
There, that was quick, eh? Well, yes. Perhaps too quick. Let’s put out a longer form:
God is the creator.
He created all things
Designed all things
Put in place rules for all things
Provides rewards and punishments for obedience to his design
One of the things that God created was marriage
He is its author
He is its designer
He put the rules in place for it
He says who it is for, and who it isn’t for
So it is God who decides who should marry
God decides who shouldn’t marry
Our job is to do the will of God
God reveals His Will in His Word
In his word he reveals His Will by direct commands
In His Word He reveals His Will by examples of Godly men
In His Word He reveals His Word by who and when He chooses to bless
God has revealed that marriage is normative and commanded
He had commanded marriage in several locations
A command to have children is obviously a command to marry
He shows us multiple examples of Godly men having married
He does not show us any direct examples of Godly men not having married in the Old Testament
He shows us an exceptional future example of unmarried men in the 144,000 in the book of Revelation.
He shows us multiple example of giving His blessings on marriage or via marriage
He also shows us a negative blessing, ie a lack, on someone being unmarried.
God specifically forbids forbidding to marry
God reveals that sex in marriage is normative and commanded
He commands sex in marraige
He shows Godly men having sex in marriage
He shows us blessings related to sex in marriage
And, conversely, curses on sex outside of marriage
And curses on not having sex in marriage
God reveals that having children is normative and commanded1
In His Word He has commanded children in several areas
In His Word He shows us multiple examples of Godly men having children
He also shows us examples of Godly men not having children, and showing this as a lack, a problem.
In His Word He shows us multiple examples of blessings coming on the Godly man via having children
God reveals that raising children in Godliness is normative and commanded
In His Word He commands that children be raised in Godliness
In His Word He gives us examples of Godly men raising Godly children
In His Word He shows us multiple examples of blessings coming on a Godly man because of his Godly children
God reveals various exceptions to marriage in Scripture
Physical disability
At birth
Caused by man
Specific forbidding:
Incest Laws
A woman already being married
With restrictions on divorce in order to remarry
Various restrictions regarding priests etc
Various other nations they weren’t allowed to marry
Marrying ‘in the LORD’
Conditional problem
The curse of Jeremiah’s time
The distress of the time of I Corinthians
Even this distress was not a forbidding, but a warning.
The exceptional time of the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation
The presence of a gift of continence
This is an addition to the issues in (c ) not an additional reason
The example of the older widows in I Timothy 5
Note that younger widows are specifically excluded
Monasticism is not among the exceptions given in Scripture
Generally speaking monastics are not suffering from a physical disability
If they were, they would, indeed, be an exception
Generally speaking, monastics are not in the midst of some conditional problem.
If they were, and if they have the gift of continency, that would be an exception
The vow that the monastics take is specifically problematic
It means they are not merely ‘unmarried’
It binds them despite any future circumstances
Thus even if being unmarried might be appropriate now, they bind themselves even if it becomes inappropriate later
They confuse the gift of continency with a vow of celibacy
Thus they claim for themselves something only God can know
Modern timing of monasticism is particularly problematic
We live in an age where marriage is under attack
Divorce
Dating
Black Pilling
We live in an age where childbearing is under attack
Abortion
Birth Control
Pet parents
Demographic Death
We live in an age where most countries are not having nearly enough children to even reproduce themselves
This death is accompanied by Godless philosophies that equate having children with destroying the planet
We live in a age where parents are not raising their children in Godliness
Lack of family worship
Lack of church attendance
Children leaving the faith in college
Massive moves to liberalism
Reference
Please note that this post is a reference post, and subject to revision. I doubt anything will be deleted, but much could be added. For the most part references are not given, but there shouldn’t be a point where they don’t exist.
Links
The Eternal and the Ephemeral in I Corinthians 7
When we read the Scriptures it is important to understand what things are directed at us, and what at others. So, for example, when the Scriptures tell women to wear a headcovering in worship… it is important for us to realize that they also tell men not to. The OT priests were forbidden from marrying a divorced woman… but ordinary Jews weren’t.
The Missing Gift
There is an error that occurs practically universally when interpreting Scripture, and that is to ignore the context of a passage you are trying to interpret. Sometimes with a passage as small as half a verse the Biblical commentator will quote the half verse, and then scratch his metaphorical head and wonder ‘why God says this?’ or ‘what does it mean?’…
Against Monks: Responding to the Arguments
The proposal from some is that Monks… the idea of monasticism… men and women taking vows of ‘celibacy’ and living separate lives without wives and husbands and children and grandchildren… is somehow Biblical. Over my last few posts on the subject I have made the positive case, if you see what I mean, that they aren’t. I have defined some terms, and argu…
Interpreting Defrauding
There are several ways to interpret a verse or passage. One them might be called ‘main point’ interpretation. I call it ‘handwaving’. Another might be to ignore it entirely. But what I believe in is going word by word, phrase by phrase, and seeing what the actual linguistics of the passage implies.
To address the inevitable sophistic objection, in all cases where something is commanded, what is commanded is not success, but effort. God make it clear that He is the one who blesses the Godly man with a wife, children, and that those children follow Him. But attempting to avoid those things is clearly sin.











Give me a minute or ten. I'm working on a response here. Life...
I'm not saying the bible says monks are godly, I'm saying it says there are exceptions, it says we all have different gifts and purposes, it says its not for you to judge, it says there are different ways to serve, it says God's word is open to interpretation, Jesus shows us this. Jesus, God's own son doesn't tick your boxes. @incognito, weigh in, please.